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Post by William on Dec 1, 2013 21:47:34 GMT -5
Toms Campbell's 'Big TOE' gives a first hand witness to The Suppression Matrix James speaks about in the Camelot Interview. I have been a member of the Forum although not overly welcome there. Recent private messaging with the board administrator and close friend of Tom's, Ted Vollers has all but convinced me that James is correct about the suppression matrix. The data from that can be found in the attachment to this post. Cheers William Attachments:
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Post by Lyra on Dec 2, 2013 12:12:52 GMT -5
"It is well past the hour that humans wake up to what they are participating in
and learn how they can stop it – one individual at a time. We are the key to our
dilemma and we must learn how to deactivate the suppression matrix so we can
awaken to the Sovereign Integral consciousness, live within its behavioral
intelligence, and release ourselves from the grip of the mind and human
instrument." ~James
"In the beginning was the word." ~ The Bible
"We existed before the void and created it to experience a beginning." ~ William Waterstone
"The bottom line for me is Ted, I should not have to suffer rebuke for what amounts to concern for my fellow human beings – concern for ‘souls’ – for the possibility we are all being taken for a very unnecessary ride and robbed of our understanding of who we truly are and manipulated into accepting something less than wholesome as a substitute." ~ WW
"Because God is like the word up in flatland, it is not a thing that can be corralled and nailed down, it is a non-word, a negation of logic and the five senses. The original source is equally unknowable, and the unknowing of it is likely the profitable end of it. An overinvestment is such topics is possibly a trick of ego, a distraction from the more fundamental question of the universe.....how long has it been since you have called mom? Do I walk by the kitchen counter and load the dishwasher, or leave it for someone else to do?" ~ WW
Dear William,
I read through most of your attachment, but I must admit my attention wanders, my eyes glaze over and a headache begins to take root deep in the recesses of my brain after a while. Perhaps the medium obscures the message, or the significance of it escapes me, given the importance of those more fundamental questions you mention.
Be that as it may, I do appreciate your concern for your fellow human beings and your desire to help. Please consider that it is not an "unnecessary ride" and that the robbing and reclaiming is all part of the soul's intent. In other words, that which robs and that which reclaims are ultimately the same thing.
James' potent advice quoted above is relevant here. From my perspective, you are a being who is endowed with formidable linguistic abilities. You are adept in the use of words. You delight in using words to persuade and convince others of the truth of your experience. However, you come on too strong, too persistent, overinvested in the endeavor. Indicative, one must suggest, of a constellation of those "tricks of ego" you refer to above.
Best wishes to you.
Lyra
P.S. A couple of years ago, I too spent some time on the JREF forum. It seems there are plenty of venues for those "in the grip of the mind and human instrument" to join the dance, eh?
"Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing there is a field. I'll meet you there." ~ Rumi
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Post by William on Dec 2, 2013 16:56:53 GMT -5
Because God is like the word up in flatland, it is not a thing that can be corralled and nailed down, it is a non-word, a negation of logic and the five senses. The original source is equally unknowable, and the unknowing of it is likely the profitable end of it. An overinvestment is such topics is possibly a trick of ego, a distraction from the more fundamental question of the universe.....how long has it been since you have called mom? Do I walk by the kitchen counter and load the dishwasher, or leave it for someone else to do?" ~ kroeran (not WW)  www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=75064#p75064Dear Lyra, ^fixed that for you. I read through most of your attachment, but I must admit my attention wanders, my eyes glaze over and a headache begins to take root deep in the recesses of my brain after a while. Perhaps the medium obscures the message, or the significance of it escapes me, given the importance of those more fundamental questions you mention. Indeed, they are important and to have them escape you is an act of choice - be that it may you experience headaches. You could work at removing that obstacle... do you know? Sometimes pictures work better so I will draw one for you in the hope that it helps you understand better what I am sharing Lyra. Be that as it may, I do appreciate your concern for your fellow human beings and your desire to help. Please consider that it is not an "unnecessary ride" and that the robbing and reclaiming is all part of the soul's intent. In other words, that which robs and that which reclaims are ultimately the same thing. It is a program Lyra. A program is robbing consciousness of its self realization. It is very serious and while it can be ignored, it cannot be avoided forever. You have the right to know. Consciousness and a program controlling consciousness are not the 'same thing' and should not be confused as being the same thing. James' potent advice quoted above is relevant here. Yes it is. From my perspective, you are a being who is endowed with formidable linguistic abilities. You are adept in the use of words. You delight in using words to persuade and convince others of the truth of your experience. While it is 'my experience' Lyra, it is not mine alone and while it is true that I have a way with words, I do not use them to pretend that all is well with the world, nor does James, as far as I can tell, and he too has a way with words. I do what I can with what I have. Tom Campbell expresses his theory of everything and his experience with guides and teachers in 'the astral' as truth. James expresses concern for the deception therein and advice on how to 'reboot' oneself to regain status of origin. However, you come on too strong, too persistent, overinvested in the endeavor. Indicative, one must suggest, of a constellation of those "tricks of ego" you refer to above. My ego is on a leash dear Lyra. This is bigger than ego and belief. I hope you will come to realise this and desist with using that excuse not to listen because in your opinion 'it comes from the ego.' It is painful enough to see that spiritual people use this excuse to cling to their Human Mind System beliefs against that which they perceive to be threatening their beliefs - they thus vilify it by saying 'that is your ego talking' instead of humbly examining the data without the bias of belief systems (which are ego created) and focus on getting to the truth of the matter. That said, I agree I am to the point and don't mince (which you call forceful and persistent ) words but one cannot in all truth be 'over-invested' in this. Please reconsider your evaluation of my intentions because you are off the mark in regard to this, and what it implies re my intentions. I am not rude - I am to the point. P.S. A couple of years ago, I too spent some time on the JREF forum. It seems there are plenty of venues for those "in the grip of the mind and human instrument" to join the dance, eh? If you are implying that I participate there in order to dance the battle of ego in some pissing contest you are gravely mistaken. Perhaps you might have a look for yourself what I am doing with my time in that forum. My user name is ' Navigator.' The primary reason for participating in skeptical communities is that while they are mostly populated by atheist anti theist attitudes these are not without some 'feet on the ground' critical thinking which is sadly lacking in many self labelled 'spiritual' forums where everything is rainbows and butterflies and supporting each others belief systems all neatly packaged under the suppression program system does nothing to engage in change and very real and necessary change at that. I make no apology for my pro-active stance and sincerely hope you were not hinting I should. Indeed, I would encourage you to choose pro activity yourself. Thank you for your reply. William |
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Post by William on Dec 4, 2013 15:21:01 GMT -5
Sometimes pictures work better so I will draw one for you in the hope that it helps you understand better what I am sharing Lyra.   |
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Post by Lyra on Dec 8, 2013 23:33:16 GMT -5
William, I think you and I fundamentally agree on the reality of what James calls the suppression matrix, and its ubiquitous presence in this world. The question is, what do we do about it? Going on the internet and joining discussion forums, exchanging gigabytes of words, diagrams and pictures back and forth, will not help dismantle the suppression matrix, in my opinion. A great many wise men and women throughout history have tried to dismantle it, with limited success. Nevertheless, I do trust that eventually, one way or another, we will all come to know and experience the truth of who we really are, and live within the fullness of our radiant Being.  |
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Post by Lyra on Dec 9, 2013 10:43:50 GMT -5
Regarding my use of the word "eventually" in my last post: this implies the notion of time. If we consider from the perspective of no-time, we are already living in that fullness, just not able to access the awareness of it except in rare circumstances.
Also thank you for being part of a series of event strings that led me to revisit the Wingmakers Philosophy papers for a review of the suggestions found there for dismantling the suppression matrix.
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Post by William on Dec 11, 2013 3:23:18 GMT -5
William, I think you and I fundamentally agree on the reality of what James calls the suppression matrix, and its ubiquitous presence in this world. The question is, what do we do about it? Going on the internet and joining discussion forums, exchanging gigabytes of words, diagrams and pictures back and forth, will not help dismantle the suppression matrix, in my opinion. A great many wise men and women throughout history have tried to dismantle it, with limited success. Nevertheless, I do trust that eventually, one way or another, we will all come to know and experience the truth of who we really are, and live within the fullness of our radiant Being. Lyra I am in this world and use the tools available. Being aware of the SM is likely all that is required at this point, and exchange of data is helpful in ascertaining things. If I Keep silent then that ensures that whatever I have to offer which some may benefit from will remain only mine. I think as an individual one can dismantle the affect of the SM through lack of ignorance...through knowing and where that knowing leads. I am aware that the universe/astral might well and truly be a SM - and that awareness gives me an opportunity to explore the possibility further, piecing together the evidence and seeing where that might help, and sharing that evidence with any who might be interested. |
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