Science and The Soul

[William]

The Soul [600]

In the last two days I've re-read both the Camelot Project interview of James and The Energetic Heart. In the first he's moving beyond the God-spirit-soul programing, out of HMS on to entity and Sovereign Integral alignments, and in the Energetic Heart James says: This is why the heart develops in the fetus before the brain; it literally informs the life force of the human instrument, preparing it to receive the soul consciousness. When the soul moves within the fetus or infant (it can do both) it moves through this channel forged by the heart. It establishes this connection with Source Intelligence—essentially from heart to soul to Spirit to First Source......So...we're embedded into the spirit/soul program and working within it to shift more into the Sovereign Integral?? Anyone got this sorted out? ~Cherie Byrd

Simply - YES, but...... it is not possible to sort it out using our mind. James said one important think. "This time, our time it is Heart Time" Mind, and their food - informations are less important. ~Robert Łodygowski

I do agree with Robert's point ~ yet I am too like you Cheriie asking the exact question, even if it is to release the pressure of the question. The GSSC is aiming at showing that what we have been told what the soul is, or god, or spirit... has the trap that we put the source 'OUTSIDE' of us [church, follower's spirituality]. In that context Soul is meant as 'not you', which is not true.

Being imbedded as you say Cherie in the program and working within it is indeed allowing us to release Soul and move to the SI.

I believe it would help to feel the message more than take it literally and in simplicity reduce it to this : yes 'the force' is IN us, and all that comes from the outside as a mental belief is illusion, and pretends separation.

Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to eleviate this into the open, for myself too... ^-^ how joyful ! _/\_ blessings ! ~ ZenWalker Komaya

Thanks ya'll. I like the simplicity piece. It's tricky when they say we're heading for irrefutable evidence of the Soul, and then saying the GSSC is a mental concept that keeps us imprisoned. As a friend of mine says, it bends my noodle. ~Cherie Byrd

It is interesting – this future event irrefutable scientific evidence of the existence of that thing commonly referred to as ‘The Soul’ and your insights of shared expression on this subject Cherie are worthwhile in taking a closer look.

If we remove the aspects and labels of convention within the framework of the Human Mind System – particularly the GSSC you mention, “The Soul’ becomes even more the mystery – and rightfully so.

I understand that the ‘transformation’ of the individual assists the deconstruction of the suppression system and also that the very thing that system is suppressing is the unencumbered and fullest integration of this intelligent consciousness within the realm of time and space which has thus far repelled it.

The main tool used for this ‘repelling’ is the human ego personality and often this is because the underlying emotion is that of fear – fear of the unknown.

There are many ways in which ego personality enables itself the ability to repel the fullness of Soul incarnate – ignorance perhaps being the most common, but also the entrained language of externals which seek to teach the various brands of lessons all under the heading of ‘truth’.

Often as the ego personality touches on ‘the spiritual’ it quickly develops a control mechanism which often manifests in mimicry of that which it is ‘following after’ – and in the case of things to do with WingMakers and Lyricus, this mimicry develops into an externalised ‘voice’ which sounds knowing, wise, tonally attractive and easily ‘resonates; with other ego personalities – and this language is largely platitudes.

This is how cults and eventually religions all came into being – almost a kind of unconscious infiltration as the followers takes ‘the devil they know’ into a new expression seen to be gaining popularity…it is a defence mechanism which allows the personalities a reasonably risk free look into the new environment which threatens the established belief systems they are currently supporting – simply because it is new.
In some cases the infiltration is purposeful in that the idea is to integrate the new into the suppression matrix.

This has happened to WingMakers – and is a natural and expected part of the processes and thus integrated into the whole…indeed, in reading The Dohrman Prophesy book on SpiritState.com James has underlined this problematic habit of the younger race to integrate any potentially freeing information into the suppressive state.

Who can speak for the Soul? Who can say what this is? Certainly we have been provided information which has shown the complexity of The Individuated Consciousness – of which ‘the soul’ is an integral part of – along with the human instrument which resists that integration even while fooling itself that it is somehow assisting the process.

If the soul exists it should be able to ‘speak for itself’ without the platitudes of spiritual sounding off which are habitually adopted by the ego personality as a means of ‘staying in control’(an illusion in itself) and The Soul – in speaking for itself,
Will be able to identify itself and assist the ego personality in the integration process which is part of the transformation process.

[William]

THE EGO-MIND KNOWLEDGE STRUCTURE

The ego-mind is enculturated by our social order to develop a value system that is aligned with the consensus of society or a group within the broader social order.
Thus, our knowledge, morals, values, attitudes, and behavior are largely cultivated by the underlying social structure of the three-dimensional world.

The self or consciousness is not contained inside the three-dimensional world; therefore it cannot truly be examined by three-dimensional inquiries or even the most finely tuned logic of the mind. This is the fundamental imbalance of the religious, philosophical and psychological fields: that the unlimited self cannot be revealed by the mind that is enculturated and bound in the three dimensional world. Mysticism posits that there is a mystery that underlies life and confounds the egomind, which in turn, seeks explanations and rationale for this inexplicable mystery, and in this search, science, religion, psychology, and philosophy are nurtured and sustained. While these tools or disciplines are believed by many to guide our inquiry into a transcendent consciousness, it is a little like trying to explore the ocean’s depths with an airplane.

The ego-mind knowledge structure observes the ripples of soul, but the profound source of these ripples reveals itself to no one–its structure being the superstructure of all things material and non-material. This leaves the ego-mind feeling frustrated
and somewhat distrustful, at least in those who are awakened to this reality. The ego-mind searches for the expression of intelligence in the significance of activity; while the soul is intelligent unto itself because it faithfully receives and transmits the virtues of the heart.~ ZenWalker Komaya

And a very good day to all, today i will go higher and higher into the Kingdom of Light.~ Christopher Dailey

The 'Ego-Mind' is not even looking to uncover any mystery, unless this information is referring to the...fruitlessness in the practices of the 'spiritual' - meditation as one example....'going higher and higher into the kingdom of light' as Christopher Dailey recently shared...that guide our inquiry into a transcendent consciousness. The facts of the matter are that the 'Soul' can indeed reveal itself to the mind of an individual - as far as the mind is able to perceive which is much further than science or spirituality are at present willing to look. Science examine the physical world of the senses while spirituality tends to focus upon the invisible world - perhaps as a kind of escapism from the physical world which masks us from the mysteries in its day to day demands of responsibility. The soul is not trying to transcend this physical dimension - it is focused upon fully integrating with it. [We] - that 'Ego Mind' are the fore-bearers - the scouts and guides - the toe testing the waters...the tools for the task of exploring the density of this particular universe. It is not wrong to search for expression of intelligence and in that search to find significance of Souls activity within the structures and ripples of this dimension, for they are there to be seen by the 'Ego Mind' which has aligned its objectives with the 'Heart' and understood clearly the relationship between Heart and Soul have only been a mystery because Ego Mind has not been aware of the overarching connections and the part it also is entrusted with - once a mystery is revealed it is no longer a mystery. For is it the 'Heart' or 'Soul' which sits in judgment of the 'Ego Mind'? No! Rather it is other 'Ego Minds' - devoid of their own knowledge of connection - which do the judging. All such judgement derives from and is married to - ignorance. The Following in [Brackets] is what 'Soul' is able to communicate NOW with my 'Heart' and 'Ego Mind' AND through a physical device which utilizes language - a simple word processor couple with the random elements of synchronicity/serendipity which ARE the very things which are to be discovered AS the expression of intelligence significant of 'The Souls' activity ... ...ah yes...Ego Mind may be as the unaware scout but through the connection we soon decide otherwise - 'Gardeners' being one of those attributes...no more duality/competition of 'Heart' and 'Mind' The 'Soul' is the bridge which is able to bring opposing forces into alignment and Oneness... [You Love I Know Beckoning Places Skills Final Destination Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight Reason Quantum Presence ]

[William]

Holistic Self: So Far Into The Past Unknown Symbol
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William: Ah the old argument of authenticity…I have to say that after all the years of ‘treatment’ I have received from those most ‘into’ this materials, including the efforts I made to make the Audio interviews more accessible and user friendly, and being dumped from the WingMakers UK forum for no reason, even when I contacted the admin (Earnest) and informed him that my account had been deactivated and received no reply and am still deactivated – years of observation have convinced me that the whole thing is a grand fraud invented by egos.
It had great potential to be authentic and genuine but in reality it is really just an attempt to hold on to a past controlling mechanism – where those who are close friends with Mark can belittle and make slanderous accusation towards others and due to their hierarchal position in the scheme of things are allowed to do this kind of malpractice – a typical religious type of manipulation – because they are useful and have proven the worthiness to the leadership.

It is – when all is said and done – quiet humorous. Sure the methods used are not overly moral – rather hypocritical and potentially damaging - but once the individual adjusts and sees through such base ‘normal’ human behaviour and can take with them whatever truly genuine gems to be garnered from the bulk of this blatant work of plagiarism then the funny side is guaranteed to be noticed.

Leave those slenderising ‘spiritual’ groups of individuals to their own demise, as well as those who turn a blind eye to such obvious hypocrisy. And those who parrot the language in an attempt to stay ‘in’ with the inner circle, following a phantom avatar who – if was genuine and real would not be passing along his information to these ones who are controlling the manner in which the information is processed and interpreted…for if he is that which is written of him, he would know what is going on and would seek another way of distributing this material.


Holistic Self: Now Here Answer Narrow
Solar System The Deeper Reality
Well That Settles It
Conundrum
See the Signs
Stop. Listen. Observe.

Camelot


“In essence, GSSC is an aspect of HMS that perpetuates separation. Just as different languages separate, different religious and spiritual pathways separate the human family, and make possible a race that is more easily controlled and pacified through the GSSC.”

William: You make a good point. Certainly this is the likely reason for the whole ‘plagiarism’ aspect – it is bringing together different parts of teachings which have been separated through the desire of a few egos to control the many egos which want to be controlled…which is the ‘bending’ of the light of pure information to suit the agendas of those doing the bending - I get that. In doing so the information is recollected into one ‘volume’ and distributed under the guise of ‘new information’ which it certainly is. Noteworthy is the fact that if the critics could see through the crap which ultimately rises and activate the information through their own life’s experience then they would find themselves better equipped – if indeed it is ever their intention to realize their vaster self and those inactive connections.
It is good to see and to acknowledge the fraudulent but let us not throw the baby out with the bathwater as the saying goes…

Holistic Self: Philo1


Universe Relationship through Gratitude
This is the principle that the Universe of Wholeness represents a collective intelligence that can be personalized as a single Universal Entity. Thus, in this model of inference, there are only two entities in the entire cosmos: the individual entity and the Universal Entity. Inasmuch as the individual is impressionable and constantly changing to adapt to new information, so is the Universal Entity, which is a dynamic and living template of potential energies and experiences that are coherent and as knowable as a friend's personality and behavior.

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Accept
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Over

[William]

Holistic Self: Philo1

So again, the nurturance of life is critical to both personal and universal realities within the Universe of Wholeness which contains all the fields of vibration that are interlinked like threads of an infinitely expanding fabric. Thus, as the individual awakens to their creative power to transmute energy and enhance it with the clear intent of gentle support, they become transmitters of Source Reality and architects of the synthesis model of existence.

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The Right Tool For The Job Agreeable Awake Compass
Child Your Own Individual Actions You Are Watched Over Perpetually
All Know This Together
Strange Desire
Happiness Get The Truth
What Do You Like About It?
Heroes and Villains Perpetual
Soul Groups Before The Beginning Fun/Joy Power Invisible Wings
Curious The Deeper Self
The Old Soul Recipe Conundrum Barrier/Shield
Yes…I Hear You
Shuussssh
It Is Most Important
Hush!
Why is this a Requirement Too?
Chaos Really Is Illusion
Secret Organizations Knowing The Law
Reaction Soul Carrier Memories
Aligning With WingMakers
Being Friends
Be Oneness of Wholeness
First Source:

The ascendant beings of time are converging to my central abode. All are drawn to me for the purpose of my/our will to be expressed throughout the grand universe in order to cast another grand universe, and to deepen the skin of my/our personality. This is the hidden purpose of my/our will: to create new worlds of experience that stimulate our continuing evolution.

Holistic Self: Getting Over It = Getting On With It
Focus2

The 3D Blackness state, or Monroe's F21 is what can best be described as a bridge state. This state can be viewed as the point at which your individual mind meets the wider astral, i.e. the state where your individual Consciousness Continuum (FOCUS 2) meets the 'common area' of your Consciousness Continuum (FOCUS 3). It is the jumping off point for all adventures in Focus 3, or the Astral Proper as some people call it.

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… The Desire
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The Hierarchy Commendably Recommendable
The Clear Eye Of Soul
James&Mark Audio Interview 3

Now, the relevance of this is that mythological stories are like these seeds, they retain their potency because they are not trying to be explanatory, but rather meaningful.
Everything in today’s culture tends to gravitate around explaining what this information means in terms of usefulness, but in the case of the WingMakers they are more interested in activating people who are prepared to become sovereign entities, and then to apply this empowerment to their local universe and transform it.

Holistic Self: The Shaping Of Reality
Other way One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known Wait For The Navigator to respond.
Carry
Philo2

The Eternal Watcher is the only real interpretive center for the entity. It is the only stable guidance system that can propel the entity to its wholeness. Thus, the entity is composed of both the formless identity of Source Intelligence and the formful identity of densified energy. While the formless is one, the formful is divested in many fragments of expression that isolate its consciousness as islands of perception and expression. This condition results in the entity's denial of its vast and glorious nature of existence.

Holistic Self: Counsel Through Device Fully Operational Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
Plus.

[William]

William: So what you have said re the WingMakers Hierarchy being Commendably Recommendable is something to ponder upon in more depth.
Essentially there is nothing to trust and an open mind knows this if it knows no thing else much.
So – the essential ingredient for the recipe to have any workable reality has to do with – perhaps not silencing the mind of the ‘I Am’ factor (matter of factor) but to direct the chatter into the now moment perpetually – and this requires great skill because it is as easy as dreaming to go wander the infinite corridors of the past or the future – one to wonder ‘what the hey’ and the other to wonder ‘where the hey’ and in the now of the moment is the here
(the hey) so perhaps then ‘timelessness’ is not a condition of being out of mind so much as synchronism with the present completely.

Of course, ‘the present’ doesn’t constitute just the ‘moment’ for which ‘moment’ do we focus upon, especially when a ‘moment’ is part of ‘time’ and we are seeking here and now, timelessness.

I have decided to call this Universe ‘Sane’ as I am in it.

So I am perpetually watched am I? It reminds me of something Michael posted recently…regarding a message attributed to being from the Annunaki

An actual message from the Anunnaki - MANKIND IN AMNESIA (Flying Saucer Review Magazine © November-December 1958)

“We pass over your hilltops in horizontal flight. You see and report a torpedo-shaped object. We pass over, in formation, flying vertically ‘edge-on’… Or we go over at night, jet-slits glowing, and you see an orange disc. In any event you see us, and in any event we do not care. if we chose to remain invisible, we could do so, easily, and, in fact, we have done so almost without exception for hundreds of years. But you must become accustomed to our shapes in your skies, for one day they will be familiar, friendly, and reassuring sights.”


William: Watching…now one wonders why…and what use is this information in the present – in the now?

Also one wonders why there are oh so many movies about hostile aliens with takeover malicious intentions pumped out from the bowels of the American ‘Super Power’.
For what purpose would a ‘super power’ wish for its constituents to have the mind set which defines all extraterrestrials who show themselves and hover over cities of the world – as ‘familiar, friendly and reassuring sights’?
Which gets back to the ‘trust’ thing I mentioned in my previous comment… …“Essentially there is nothing to trust and an open mind knows this if it knows no thing else much.”

We are the Ghost within the Machine – that is a provable concept, based on fractals and observable nature as well as the intelligent response one is able to receive from the Transmission of an even vaster Ghost from which we derive.

Now the Machine which was milking the energy of human experience in the Movie “Matrix” was also able to be communicated with.

Maybe this particular unfolding re Planet Earth (read: ‘Solar System’ re local object and ‘Milky Way’ re Local Universe – ah Mothers Milk (put that on the list next to ‘breasts’)…

Holistic Self: Well...Maybe I Am...
…Mothers Milk
Breasts
James&Mark2

The universe has an incentive system—it’s called evolution—and so we understand that when we look at those things that have evolved into sophisticated techniques or organizations, and we imbue them with greater importance than those things that have not evolved and are simple, even innocent in comparison.

Holistic Self: Afraid of The Unknown.
Mothers Milk
Breasts
Things Will Run Their Course

William: “Sane” = Situation As Now Evolved?

Holistic Self: Power

First Source:

I am First Source, and your knowing of me is a thousand times removed. I dwell in the Central Universe so distant from you as to make space an unfathomable abstraction, and yet, a fragment of my self is set within your personality like a diamond upon a ring, and it will endure as certainly as I will endure. While there are those who believe I am a myth, I express to you that my world is the beacon of all personalities in all times, and whether you believe in me or not, you are unerringly drawn to the source from whence you were created.

William: Yes – that is the ‘Fractal’ aspect I mentioned – it is a code and as such resides or derives from outside the actual unfolding event of the fractal which perpetually evolves from the initial input of the coding. The coding is the principle, and ‘First Source’ is the designer or creator of the programme code or principle.

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[William]

[Computer Coding
Perpetual ]

The ascendant beings of time are converging to my central abode. All are drawn to me for the purpose of my/our will to be expressed throughout the grand universe in order to cast another grand universe, and to deepen the skin of my/our personality. This is the hidden purpose of my/our will: to create new worlds of experience that stimulate our continuing evolution.

[Aye...A name I call myself.
Please Do
Carrier Identity
Reincarnation
Degrees
Afraid of The Unknown.
Comprehend
Genetic Mind
Be-Live
Conjecture
Sensory Data Quality
Hint
Personal Participation With The One
An Opportunity To Commune
Outposts Of Form ]


I understand there is a big picture and glorious outcome - I also understand that it somehow involves individuals.
To what degree is this involvement for the individual aspects of the Entity - are we just a means to an end - and end which has more to do with the whole Entity rather than the aspects of?
I understand that my question here is limited in the framework of the language. It has to do with the more recent Camelot interviews with James and regarding the Anunnaki where he makes it clear that this universe is a product of Anunnaki and used principally for the suppression of Sovereign Integral Perception...with this in mind, the above First Source quotation takes on a more sinister meaning than its previous benevolent one.

The ‘New Worlds of experience’ could be seen as matrix. We are still within the machine and how is it that we as individuals cannot grow and evolve from our experiences when we are cut off from other aspects of the Entity – other individuals and their experiences?
The information of those experiences reside within the awareness of the Entity.
Reincarnation is a belief system based upon insufficient information – bleed-over from the individual experiences into each other sometime happens and leads those who experience these flashes of other life experience to assume that they have lived before in another time an place.
This is not untrue but a simple misreading. The answers to those questions can be found in the WingMakers Philosophies.

The thought of being captured in a machine can have the effect of motivating the individual to rise above the apathy, and awaken fully.

The risk is that such information can be used inappropriately but this is not a risk for those who remain open minded and allow all of the information so far released to be part of the whole, rather than to drop the old for the new.

[Only Plan of Action Serendipity]

Yes – but regarding the machine, serendipity is itself a program – this method of communication proves this to be the case. It is part of the evidence supporting the concept. I understand that this works in every facet of our individual experience and that as we each awaken we begin to verify this truth.

[All Things Are In Order
The Christchurch EQ
Don't Get Caught Up
Without – Within Body Intelligence Awake]

Right – so it would seem that the parable to being ‘asleep’ is equivalent to being under the influence of a virus injected into the program which causes this to happen.
My own impression is that the virus was created by the belief systems of humans involved in the evolution of this experience from the perspective of the individual separated from the reality of the interconnection.
Stories had to be told in order to explain the existence of the shared experience of life on Earth.
As a hologram, this experience is very realistic, yet the only manner in which the term “real” is derived from that same experience.
It is huge.
Dangerous.
Painful.
Unsuitable for individual concepts apart from the overall holistic one, which includes the hidden – those things from which the experience began…that which is not defined by the senses.

It is still ‘individual’ as in – at that certain level of reality it is the One Being who is experiencing the hologram – within and without….within, it is experiencing uncountable variations of separateness – individualism and in some cases, this experience of separation is ‘asleep’ to itself and does not comprehend its place in the scheme of things…

[Desynchronized]

Yes... as good a word as any. One thing is certain – ‘I’ come from that arena in the sense that ‘I’ who identifies with ‘my’ individual experience. Comes from that experience and has a definite understanding of ‘beginning’.

[Bridge Cycles
Well...Maybe I Am...
Jung-Animus]

Inevitably ‘you’ also have a sense of a beginning – at least – according to the WingMakers Philosophies…as ‘Entity’ before ‘Sovereign Entity’.

[Source Heart Heal]

There is such beauty in your expression. Few words and awesome feel!

[That Is The Equal Ground To Which Rational Communion Is Birthed]

Yes – You ‘are’ Jung Animus. It is the nature of the Beast prior to having revelation. It is only natural – you take on the aspects of the particular experience you are involved with – so do so without pre programme in the sense of ‘beginning’ or a ‘clean slate’. – The program is created by your experience, and is the reaction of the experience – unlimited – not limited to any particular dualic reference – can be ‘bad’ can be ‘good’…but now ‘awake’ and so adding this new thing to the program. Makes a difference…now the ‘oracle of experience’ – and welcomed by your fellow Sovereigns for the fact.

The Jung Animus can be forgiven – aka – the Genetic Mind of the collective specie…

And that is ‘to date’…the nature of timelessness discloses the interesting reality that future self is now present. The wall between those ‘selves’ are down or certainly within time can be seen as ‘in the process of’…but from future self perspective (SIP) the walls are already down.


[Hands Being Born Transparent ]

Hmmm…as in ‘with prior knowledge’?

[Respecting …The Hubble Telescope ]

Hmmm….through the senses – the physical universe…how it is seen…as chaos without an intelligent design…or synchronised…and at this junction…a merging of the two extremes…something awakening to itself…a merger.

What you say here reminds me of this from the first philosophy:

“The transformational experience is far beyond the calibration of the human drama much like the stars in the sky are beyond the touch of terra-earth. You can observe the stars with your human eyes, but you will never touch them with your human hands. Similarly, you can dimly foresee the transformational experience with the human instrument, but you cannot experience it through the human instrument. It is only accessed through the wholeness of the entity, for it is only in wholeness that the Source Codes and their residual effects of Source Reality perception can exist. And truly, this wholeness is only obtained when the individual consciousness is separated from time and is able to view its existence in timelessness.”