The Fifth Interview

[William]

Greetings members.

Recently WingMakers website went through a transformation and new information was released called - The Fifth Interview of Dr. Jamisson Neruda.


This forum invites members to give their thoughts on the new data and to discuss the implications presented within.

I will also be sharing letters I have written to Mark and James regarding the newly released data.

Cheers

William

[William]

Letter to James and Mark.

310514

Hi James and Mark.

With the recent Fifth interview released comes the revelation that we are truly on our own as a species – left up to our own devices.

There are one or perhaps two incomplete concepts in the interview of which I would like to comment upon.

First though I would like to say that this interview along with Camelot tells me that you may have problems with Anu – or at least this is what you portray James – and with technology which attempts to engage biologically created machinery with biological instruments.

This perception I have in regard to your aversion with technology comes from a question asked of you many years ago, which I copy here along with your answer. I cannot provide a link to the questions and answers because they are absent from the newest version of the WingMakers.com site, perhaps culled, or perhaps yet to be reinstalled.

Nonetheless the data used to exist on the site and will still exist on many a hard drive, I am sure.

(From my hard drive)

Question 70 – What are your views on chip implants for purposes of identification and law enforcement? Would you avoid or accept such an implant into your human instrument?

Answer 70 (James) – I would resist it with every ounce of my ability and legal recourse, but if the day arrived when it became a law and I am required to accept such an implant, I would begrudgingly accept it because it is a law, and it would only arrive as a law if there were some value in its proposition. An implant would not influence any of my behaviors, conduct, attitude or any other expression.


With the above answer in mind it would appear that this reasoning can be used in relation to the advent of transhumanism.
To be sure, with the evolution of the HMS in relation to the sorry specimen that naively ventured into the role of empowering the human instrument (1.0.) and the later version (2.0) to mine gold for the Anunnaki, version 3.0 will not be created by the Anunnaki but by the sorry specimen (Atlanteans) for itself in order to increase its likelihood of surviving and moving out into the greater cosmos.

This is somewhat of a natural progression under the circumstances, and is just something which consciousness – finding itself in such a position (this reality) – will gravitate toward most naturally as a preferred extension of said nature within this reality.

Your story regards natural reaction as being a programmed condition but there is room for some confusion as to your using the character of Dr. Neruda to message that eventually the Sovereign Integral will abide within its own version of human instrument and will reside on earth forever, and do this independently from technology.

From the 5th Interview document:
(Page 69)
“To be self-realized as an infinite being within a human body on earth, decoupled from the controlling Human 2.0 interface, is the fifth way."

It is not stated how this will be accomplished.

The container is not so much the problem. What is within the container is where the problem is sourced. Consciousness within biological machinery (the suit) behaves in a certain way predominantly. The advent of redesigned suits may give opportunity for consciousness to revaluate its behaviour for the positive in relation to its position.

In relation to the data in the previous interviews regarding Lucifer and the Animus, this parable can be seen as a natural part of an evolving consciousness which if placed within a machine and having no prior understanding of compassion and indeed all other heart virtues, is a possible recipe for worse disaster for the residing consciousness than human history has thus far presented.

So the experiment is taken in steps. First the biological, then the machine created by the biological perhaps with in mind that ‘not just any old consciousness can inhabit such machinery.’

Only the worthy.

Of course this in not how your Neruda character portrays the powers that be. The object of the project of transhumanism is at least longevity if not outright immortality and to remain ruling influence in ruling positions over consciousness still incarcerated within biological suits.

In regard to the ‘Powers That Be’ this is in itself a natural step, for the pattern is produced in the reincarnation processes which enable those who have invested in maintaining their positions, to return to those positions and the attached investment, through ongoing incarnations. The Dali Lama confirms that this is possible to achieve.

So regardless that ‘we are all imprisoned’ is not seen as a problem for those in such positions.

Okay so the focus is upon Anu primarily and in this – whether it is your purpose or not – he is portrayed the villain and is vilified by many of those in outspoken positions within forum communities, WingMakers included.

Now to the “incomplete concepts” I mentioned.

When the Neruda character speaks about the ‘bubbles’ and about separation being the problem it can be seen that ‘bubble two’ which encompasses ‘bubble one’ also operates within separation. This is important and will most likely be overlooked by those otherwise distracted by the villainous nature of Anu – for such distraction actually serves separation – someone to point the finger at – and the poor subjugated Atlantean is doing the pointing, and your story has placed that species in the victim role – what else can be expected of them?

So every story needs a villain in order to excite the imaginations of the readers, but taking a closer look at the heart virtues it becomes clear that Anu (in the role of ‘God’ aka Jewish Christian Islamic idea of what god is – which was lifted from more ancient times/civilizations) used such deception to penetrate the emotions wrought through SI instinctual awareness regarding such things as loving, caring, helping, serving etc to change the idea of ‘god’ into sometime more loving and caring and that was no hard spin, because even as presented, the God was clear from the go get as to our need to love and support one another and the God had a problem with sin and disobedience because this always lead to human suffering in the extreme which is what the God wanted humans to steer away from.

This clearly signifies that Anu is evolving too and for that matter, the words attributed to First Source could as easily be attributed to Anu in that same role as the ultimate ‘the buck stops here’ god concept, at least for our species.

On the surface such data might not appeal to you James – and by that I mean, as you have presented yourself through your fictional characters.
However, such being the case, you are someone who uses his characters to get a certain message across, and what has happened is that over time the message has changed dramatically and one can assume it is likely to continue to do so.

That being my assumption I feel it worthwhile to attempt communication with you in the hope that it will be reciprocated and a bridge constructed that data transfer can be flowing with little to no constriction.

Essentially what Anu requires from the consciousness which resides within human instrument is not worship of him or his race or any such related thing. This may have been on the agenda as a form of gaining support for what basically amounts to ‘doing the right thing’ and if genuinely (in spirit and in truth) worshiping a god figurehead worked for some, then that was how it was.

Obviously it is not working for all, and nor can it really because the ‘First Source’ aspect of the god conception does not require worship other than to say, ‘Worship of me in coin or moral consideration is unnecessary. Simply express your authentic feelings of appreciation to my inmost presence within you and others, and you broadcast your worship unfailingly into my realm.’

Of course, Anu is not exempt from that and for those who can, expressing appreciation for First Source within Anu is in some ways a very loud expression broadcasting into the Realm of First Source.

The buck apparently does not stop with Anu, but the recognition is there and as you spoke through your character(Dr Neruda) saying the Anunnaki DNA is most likely in each and every one of our human instruments. Vilify Anu, vilify the human race...or at least the present instrument (2.0) which the Atlantean consciousness resides within.

Now to zoom out somewhat and briefly glance at Thomas Campbell’s Theory of Everything, and see if there are not dots to join between he and you, James Mahu.
I have found some.
That I will leave until letter 2.

Trusting all is well with you and yours.

William.
(Sent 030614)

[William]

Letter Two to James and Mark.

030614

Dear Mark and James

I will continue to write this series of letters to you both regarding the recent release of the Fifth Interview as written by James through his character Dr. Neruda.

As mentioned at the end of my last letter, Thomas Campbell’s book ‘My Big Toe’ relates to his experiences with Astral related realties and dovetails with things you say James.
I have spent some time on his forum and reading his book reminded me of what you refer to as the HMS. Where you describe a system of suppression, Tom describes in detail what that system involves, the difference being of course that you both differ in interpretation. He does not recognise the suppressive aspect.

I have tried to get the main administrator of Tom’s forum – a man by the name of Ted Vollers - to discuss your work in relation to Tom’s but he is adamantly against anything which is not supportive of Tom’s understanding of ‘the greater reality’.

One of the main things I myself have come to see in relation to Tom’s idea has to do with the existence of The Void, simply put – the thing from which all consciousness came from.

In working with this theory in relation to your own revelations James, it became obvious to me that where Tom say’s that while it may be possible there is more to reality than what we can observe (and by that he means everything he and others have observed) there is little point to speculation as to what that might be because it is non provable.

It is enough, Tom argues, to know and accept what can be proven (to the individual) and everything begins at The Void. He says for those who doubt what he says (from what he writes of his experiences) they need only do the same and ‘see for themselves’ but ‘the buck stops’ at The Void.

In relation to that, this would mean that First Source was created by The Void, the void cannot be penetrated and Consciousness begat from this has created All That Is (except for The Void of course)

From this I began to understand when dovetailing your data with Tom’s, that everything which has a beginning is by that fact, a simulation.

This specifically implies that because of the existence of The Void, everything Tom regards as All That Is, and has its beginnings at the Void, is itself a simulation.

This is not how Tom regards his theory. He believes that the larger reality or consciousness system is not simulated, but that many fractal like simulations have been wrought from that origin through the larger consciousness system, (LCS) as Tom refers to it.

I have not managed to get past Tom’s man, Ted Vollers to get Tom’s own comment on my assertion regarding simulations and beginnings, and Ted simply will not budge in his resisting discussing the concept further, simply casting it aside as non provable therefore not something worthy of discussion.

However the concept itself is based upon known patterns, and the patterns (fractal realities) all confirm that my hypothesis is most likely true.

My reasoning consists of understanding that likely All That Is (most importantly Consciousness) has always existed in a state of completeness and that what was not known (had never been experienced) was ‘a beginning’ and thus a simulation was created in which The Void and all that has since come from that occurrence, including the aspect of Consciousness involved, is the result of that. Consciousness is having the experience of a beginning (and different types of beginning experiences) through a mechanism (and subsequent sets of mechanisms) which enabled such a thing to be accomplished.

This implies specifically that Consciousness exists prior to The Void and Tom Campbell’s alternate realities all the way back to The Void, and created after this are simulations as well.

The beauty of this insight is that it does away with the need to presume ‘turtles all the way down’ as the saying goes. The argument that ‘if there is a god, then who created that god and who created the one that created that one etc’ is put to rest.

Simply put, no one created consciousness. It has always existed. The Void and our position somewhat way deep down along that ancient and seemingly infinite fractal like network of alternate realities are all simulations.

This aligns somewhat with early WingMakers materials, at lest in my estimate.

In relation to Anu, and the Camelot Interview as well as the recent release of the Fifth Interview one can presume that Anu and Tom Campbell’s AUM are perhaps the same, or that Anu appears further ‘down/along’ the fractal network.

The real importance of this insight is that without it we are looking at an image of ourselves from the perspective of being begat by a mindless thing called The Void, and there is ‘no other god before us’ but do we have a complete and accurate account of the nature of such a god concept which had a beginning?
If we are truly eternal then our beginning never actually happened and the only reason we know what a beginning is like, is because we are within a simulation which allows for this to happen.

That we are within something which so obviously had a beginning, and have been experiencing that from The Void onwards and are experiencing that simulation within what Tom refers to as a Physical Matrix Reality (this universe) means that we can trace our roots (Source/our self as Consciousness complete) at least as far back as The Void, and discover that we are ‘a god in the making’. (‘We’ meaning ‘the Consciousness that initially formed and then continuously fragmented into simulations it created to explore that which when all is said and done, is an exploration of itself) We are within a simulation experiencing what it is like to have a beginning and everything created from the initial simulation (evidenced by the existence of The Void) is part of the journey into ‘godhood’ and self discovery.

If we cannot remove the veil of The Void, we are forced to accept the nature of the consciousness which first was conceived and began and became what it was and from that conceived everything else, as being ‘god’ or ‘who we are’ and this is most likely a false perception and as such can force us to accept incorrect conclusions as truth.

When reading about The Void, and aligning it with The Grand Portal concept, I cannot help but understand that The Void (as grand as it appears) is a closed portal.

The question is... is it closed to one and all, including the Primary Consciousness which first was born through/from it or is it only something which appears to exist depending on the quality of consciousness which perceives it?
In other words, for those who intuit that ‘god’ or Consciousness exists beyond The Void and that – for example (and to follow the observable pattern) – a fragment of that Eternal (ever always having being) Consciousness was placed into the simulation of a beginning in order to explore the concept as a simulation and gather data from that experience...Does The Void exist for those who intuit otherwise or will they rather have no Void to deal with but indeed, have a Portal through which they can freely access the real world of no beginning, interacting with both the real and the simulation(s) as they choose, should they choose?

I would have to suppose that since I as and individuate consciousness within physical form can figure this out then it is most likely that the Larger Consciousness System must surely know this to be the case as well.
However, according to Tom, the data as to what LCS (related to that) has is not available to ‘us’...so then how did I get it?

I have to suppose that what Tom and others are experiencing is some kind of program that inhibits them and cannot allow them full access to the truth, and that this must largely have to do with their belief systems, even that Tom time and again reminds everyone who reads his book NOT to hold beliefs.

Ted Vollers certainly rejects my assertions on this which signals that his beliefs in Tom’s theory as being true are playing an influencing role in his expressions of resistance.
Certainly he has replied to such by claiming that I myself have the belief (that there is another side to The Void which has had no beginning and is real – not simulation) and my efforts to explain that it is not belief but a matter of joining the dots and following the patterns logically, have fallen upon deaf ears.

The importance of such insight is that in looking into Tom’s theory we are still largely stuck within a looped program/system which can have the appearance of going on almost endlessly and have so much variety within it that it doesn’t get boring or Ground Hog day-like, so is particularly hard to notice as being simulation...and this goes ‘right to the top’ as it were. The initial Consciousness born of The Void is therefore in a sense, quite addicted and taken by the whole experience that it has no desire to know of its true source and is happy to settle for being ‘god’ over all its fragments of Consciousnesses and never requires itself to venture from the simulation and makes it difficult – next to impossible - for any aspect of its consciousness within the simulation(s) to leave what it has created.

It likes playing the part of ‘god’ and putting aspects of itself into instruments of form and non form in order for it to be worshiped etc. Seriously - a type of self worship but quite false for that.

I for one cannot conceive of such a god concept as this as being real. I think the problem (entities playing ‘god’ over less informed aspects of consciousness) exists further down the tracks of the fractal-like pathways created, and this is the wall ‘we’ must break through as it were. Entities created through this whole process have conspired together to create a suppression program and it is this program to which Tom Campbell has been exposed to and considers to be the whole truth.

On the upside, the program itself can teach us much, even in the fact that the illusions it creates can be seen through.

Regarding this – our particular physical universe - Tom regards it in relation to All That Is, as being nothing more than ‘a flea on the tip of a dog’s tail’ but in regard to all the simulations consciousness involves itself with, it is still something to explore, and not just as a formless ‘ghost’ but in a ‘hands on’ manner.

The process by which such exploration can take place can conceivably be through the transhuman pathway. Consciousness appears not to be limited by the form but rather from its own behaviours through form, and those behaviours are mostly due to lack of full information (quality of consciousness) and unequal treatment (being treated as inferior by other aspects of consciousness which are in better situations,) rather than anything else.

I will expand upon this more fully in my next letter.

In Love

William

(Sent 050614)

[William]

Letter Three to James and Mark.

060614

Dear Mark and James

I feel it best to switch my approach at this point in my communications with you both, having decided to try in a kind of story like fashion briefly outlining the main characters and how the interrelate with each other.

The Physical Universe -the setting of the story.... essentially an explosion in the process of happening. (form)

The Stage – Planet Earth (primarily).

Planet Earth (form) The form which Queen Gaia inhabits.

Queen Gaia. (non form) The reference is to Gaia the Earth Mother Concept as a Sovereign. Specifically an Individuate Planetary System Consciousness.

This character is ancient in terms of The Physical Universe and had her beginnings incubating within the planet system and slowly coming into full conscious realisation of her position and experience as a planet.
In her time, she has learned from vast amounts of data and has been able to design an incredible variety of life form. She is connected to every aspect of life related to the forms on the planet and this connection is natural as in she cannot be disconnected because the aspects are all empowered by her consciousness.
Mostly the data she collects and redistributes from the aspects is in pure form only one way because it takes awareness on the part of those aspects to understand and relate to the connection to make that flow in both directions – to and from.
Often the data she collects and transmits back to the aspects is unable to be recognised as to its true source (Queen Gaia) and manifests itself into the reality of the stage through the aspects in a variety of ways not directly understood by the aspects and the data is ‘bent’ by the aspects in an effort to share it according to their individual needs/agendas.
While this is a barrier to communication, Queen Gaia works with it and is still able to transmit an impression into the reality of her aspects as to the truth of their situation.

The Aspects: (non form) Inhabits form and experiences through. All are Queen Gaia experiencing consciousness through the individuate forms she has created.
Altogether the Aspects are interconnected through the data streams of their individuate experiences, and this data altogether is a high percentage of what Queen Gaia experiences as an Individuate Planetary System Consciousness.


Obviously all none form is consciousness and everything that is not consciousness is form. Form cannot be conscious, but can be inhabited by consciousness.

The Aspects which make up the collective consciousness of Queen Gaia are every individuate consciousness in form on the Planet, and also in what is reffered to as ‘The Astral’

Historically Queen Gaia has experienced all the different ages of Earths evolution, as far back as before the dinosaurs.
This is important because before the consciousness of this Queen was within the present day forms, she first experienced being ‘lizard’ – and for a very long time when compared to this present age.

So far then we have the ‘situation’ and the ‘player’. The player is singular and contained within the system of the Earth.

In relation to WingMakers data first released, nothing is untoward in relation to the physical universe. This changed with the advent of the Camelot interview and is reinforced with the more recent release of the Fifth interview.

According to that data, the whole universe is a prison system.

Therefore, Queen Gaia is imprisoned, and has been for a very, very long time (in relation to this physical universe.)

One can wonder at her crime. Being seduced was the Camelot interview explanation. ‘Not quite sure – unknown’ seems to be the latest explanation from the Fifth Interview.

It is feasible that no crime was committed nor is the universe a prison. The prison system seems to be more about how an outside consciousness called ‘Anu’ interacted with the aspects of Queen Gaia (called Atlanteans) and convinced them of the wisdom of incarnating fully into this universe in forms which were not directly manifested through natural evolution (re Earth-the-from-body-of-Gaia) and so are something of ‘suits’ for those aspects of Gaia which were designed elsewhere.

In relation to James book “The Dohrman Prophecy” a Gaia aspect was first captured and encased (was incarnated/imprisoned) within a monolith of stone (The Oracle), by Anu, King of the Anunnaki.

[In relation to Queen Gaia and the Oracle, the monolith is a symbol of the planet Earth.]

Eventually the consciousness within that stone found a way to remove her self (consciousness) from the suppressive aspects of the form (monolith/earth) and the controlling aspects of both religious and political entities (also aspects of Queen Gaia) which sort to usurp the existing overall Collective Consciousness by insinuating a villainous version of Gaia’s Character onto/into the reality membranes of the majority of the aspects of Gaia’s instruments of individuate form and from this divide and rule as a method to use those divided and ruled aspects to inflict a wall of ignorance as to the true nature of the Source Consciousness of those aspects in order that they focus attention upon the usurper version of their source...the pretender – the false. The misguidance worked in favour of a subset within the overall collective consciousness to direct the major portion of that consciousness to serve its own ends/desires/wants – that those aspects (players) always remained as a few in a controlling position of the many.

This scenario can be seen in various versions of culturally sourced stories.
Often this is seen to be the work of the so called ‘Powers That Be’ which are believed to be members of secretive organisations bent of completely controlling the world and the Earth’s resources as an untouchable few.

This way of thinking is largely proliferated by the leadership of groups all seeking a piece of the pie and protecting their interests and positions of influence. It very much mirrors the vilification techniques mentioned in relation to Queen Gaia and amounts to a manner of distracting those seeking the truth about ‘what is going on’ to look in the direction of that which the finger is pointing toward rather than looking closer at those who are actually pointing the finger. For the most part this strategy works well enough as often the ‘untouchables’ are beyond the reach of the common individual and the real culprits are far closer to home and often portray an air of confidence and use language designed to gain trust.

Now in relation to this, it is very easy to cast accountability upon an unseen enemy especially when attempting to convince those whose positions in society serve to keep them in a state of being the victim – victims of circumstance – the poor and down trodden -the disadvantaged whom are preyed upon by these shysters telling the believable stories, stories designed for this very purpose.

As you have said through your character Dr. Neruda in your Fifth Interview story James,

“You see, the whole principle that was behind this entire endeavor could be summed up in one word: separation. Everything exists in separation within the earth plane and its afterlife planes as well. But, according to the WingMakers, what is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness—not through the unconscious mind, which only links us in separation, but rather through the life essence that is us. And this life essence is sovereign and integral. It is I AM WE ARE. No one is above, no one is below. No one is better, no one is lesser.” Page 16

And:

“Again, whether you operate in the insertive or resistive behavioral mode, you are affecting the whole. You either support oneness and equality, the I AM WE ARE, or you support separation and deception, also known in our reality, as the status quo.” Page 23

In relation to Queen Gaia as a Conscious entity, it is historically clear that this entity has one agenda which is to eventually leave the planet and move into the greater cosmos.
This is for the purpose of exploration and utilisation of resource which is plentiful in this physical universe. To transform the matter into machinery – specifically machinery that can house consciousness safely and more permanently.

In relation to those working within secret orgs such as the one you describe as ACIO with the CEO of Earth – whom you refer to as ‘Fifteen’ (coincidently the major Arcana card of the Tarot representing the “Devil”) in reality such an organisation is a natural institution of Queen Gaia for the purpose of nurturing and preserving Consciousness within a hostile situation to give it the best chance of attaining that agenda.

With a world population which is – at the expression point of the individual human being – separate – it is extremely difficult for Queen Gaia to transmit the truth to her aspects as they are totally educated to either see such an entity as evil, (yes ‘the devil’) or to not exist at all.

From Queen Gaia’s perspective, she is the sum total of all conscious experience in relation to the planet collective species and specific to human beings, she is like the ‘hive mind’ in that she receives all data from her aspects (you, me and everyone else) and whether they are conscious of this or not, is beside the point.

To be conscious of it is to be free of the separation.

So she protects her investment and works with what she has to work with. Even if ‘Fifteen’ were not aware of this connection, he and the organisation nonetheless are working toward her agenda and regardless of how human beings might express themselves within their particular positions, that primary goal is well guarded against that which would seek to harm it.

One can ask about the justice and correctness of such an agenda or why so many have to suffer for this, as your character Sara stated:

Sarah: “But all the human misery, just to run an experiment?” Page 33

To be clear about this, Queen Gaia did not cause the human misery. Human beings in their pride and ignorance have caused and continue to cause the misery.

There is a Maori legend which speaks of ‘Father Sky and Earth Mother’ were separated by their children. This is pertinent in that it represents the actual problem with human beings in general. They are rebellious children who think that they know better and do not listen and in past times when Queen Gaia has spoken to her children, the siblings have bent the message to suit their own agendas and thus the parents are force to work with what they have and – I want to be clear about this Mark and James – the Parents are not what the children are telling each other the parents are.

So the transhuman age we are entering – while it will be manipulated just as all the ages entered have been manipulated by human beings and their story telling vilifying ways, there will continue to be a pure agenda in relation to transhumanism which has nothing to do with the agenda of those who either fear or misconstrue the natural progression of Consciousness and its evolution within this physical realm.

As I have expressed in this and my other letters to you both, it is not the instrument which is faulty, but the aspects of consciousness within those instruments which are faulty – faulty in the sense that they remain – somewhat willingly – in ignorance of what can be intelligently worked out by the individual should that individual cease from believing in good and evil concepts and focus upon the amazing fact that consciousness has a foot hold in a hostile environment – has done so for a very long time, and is not about to concur with the vivid imaginations of the ignorant and profess itself to being actually evil.

It is not.

In my next letter I will be elaborating upon the idea of Consciousness transforming physical matter into machinery and focusing this concept into the far future – to a time when this universe will be so much older than the young thing it presently is.

In Love

William

[William]

100614

Letter Four to James and Mark.

Dear Mark and James

I was going to speak more on transhumanism and the distant future, but will leave that for another letter.

I find it interesting how characters are used to promote the authors own points of view although I would agree that it cannot be assumed that this is always the case, or that it is the case with you James, even that at one time you expressed your great resistance to anything which promotes machinery coupled with biological instrument – certainly your character Dr, Neruda reinforces this personal stance through your writing.

You wrote in the Fifth Interview this:

“You see, transhumanism is separation. It says we are frail, weak, finite, brutish, diseased… incomplete. All of these ideas for technological implants and cognitive enhancement were parts of the ACIO agenda.” Page 24

That is one way of interpreting what is going on in relation to such an organisation, but as I have mentioned in my 3rd letter to you and Mark, it is not the only interpretation one can get from the natural evolution of Consciousness within a biological instrument capable of creating complicated machinery from raw materials.

While it is most obvious that machinery (and cultural art) can be used for the purpose of separation (war being the most obvious) the underlying impulse to do so is not sourced in the machinery itself, but in the attitude which permeates from the consciousness inhabiting the form and in the case of human history, as I have mentioned, those in visible positions of influence and power are the ones doing the misguiding – subtly enforcing the separation in order to keep those coveted positions.

As mentioned, such an organisation as the ACIO (while fictional – still very likely a possibility, even minus the props of ET and vile agenda) will be something which would require dedication to co-creation and nurturing and giving the best possible chance for Consciousness to continue within the framework of this physical universe and thus would be inclined naturally to weed out all sign of separatist activity within the whole organisation as a matter of course.

Its secretive nature might have nothing at all to do with a vile agenda but rather to protect itself from the vile agenda of those who seek to keep their position of controlling influence over the masses, and while those in such position may not have the power or ability to infiltrate such an organisation, they will have the ability to spread conspiracy rumour regarding its intent and purpose and vilify it, as mentioned – for the purpose of taking the focus off the real problem the masses have – the problem of misguiding leadership dressed up to procure trust from the followers, but having no love in their hearts for those masses they are using and pointing their fingers of accusation and making up believable stories and feeding that data into the imaginations of those gullible followers.

All of which of course will not stop the organisations from achieving the Agenda of Queen Gaia, but yes – unfortunately laying down the foundations of doom for the masses, all in the attitude of separation.

It is likely that in more ancient times Queen Gaia explained her far seeing her agenda to those who were connected with her and this information was eventually twisted to suit the agendas of those who heard of it and decided that it did not bode with their own agendas and thus the conspiracies were born in order to vilify a perfectly natural thing whilst promoting something far less natural (divide and conquer) and rule – thus partially subverting the agenda of the human entity (Queen Gaia) and turning the bulk of her children against her without them even realising that this was what was taking place and forcing that Queen to be less open – not because she wants it that way, but because she and her agenda have been consistently twisted and dressed to portray a big ugly monster created through liars and their lies regarding her.

I am reminded of that which was attributed to First Source:

“My voice will help you reconnect with me. It will enlarge your vision of my domain, purpose, and my unyielding love for each of my creation, no matter where or how you live. When I have spoken before to your planet, it was through a prism of personalities that bent my voice and colored its tone. My mind’s voice will not travel to your world unless it is transmitted through my creation and translated into word-symbols your mind can grasp. My heart’s voice penetrates all worlds without translation as a sub-photonic light and inter-dimensional vibration that produces sound.”

I quote this because it reminds me of the god of the bible, - not the one which orders genocide and death – for that is the bent one – the one shaped by humans beings with ulterior motives not aligned to the purpose of unity and loving-kindness.

There are occasional glimpses of that ‘god’ which has always expressed love and concern. It becomes obvious that the one playing the part is not some ET from some other type of race, but it is Queen Gaia herself, and the part is played as a necessity to work with the belief systems of her aspects which have been misguided.

One could argue that if she was any kind of good thing, she would end that deception and bring to justice those doing the deceiving, but it may be that she simply cannot do this without violating the authenticity and that her intention has always been for her aspects to discover her true nature on their own merits – placing the pieces together and seeing the true picture and realising the deception which has created a monster of a god concept – one that does not exist and one that cannot be role-played by Queen Gaia.

Perhaps justice might prevail in some other way – a more natural way. But the masses and their false leaders cannot force the Queens hand. She will continue to be who she is regardless of the successful attempts to portray her as evil.

And this is why such secret and powerful organisations exist – so that the Queen can continue with her agenda untouched by the corrupt leadership and the masses which follow after them. She will prevail. They on the other hand, most likely will not, because they have chosen to betray her trust and vilify her through their own contrary actions.

Yes Mark and James, the bible (etc) may be mostly the product of that corrupt thing, but it can be seen to hold a barely visible thread of the voice of that good thing which has always and will always love the aspects of herself, even that they have willingly or unwittingly be led astray.

From your writing of the Fifth Interview James:

Page 14.

Dr. Neruda: “This was when Anu decided that he should be God. Humans needed to have a lord or ruler over them so it was clear that they were inferior to an external ruler. This was a key part of their program of indoctrination. Working with Marduk and the Sirians, they created the environment of Eden and created the paradigm of Eve as the instigator of the fall of humanity. This was, you might say, Act 1 of Anu as God. It was staged to provide the Human 2.0s with a clear sense of an external authority, and that they were expelled from Paradise because they tried to be self-realized.
“It was like rebuking humanity with the fist of an angry creator who wanted his creation to remain identified with their human uniform. Kind of like saying: “Do not think for a moment that you can be like me.”
Sarah: “And the WingMakers wrote that this actually happened kind of like the Bible said?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “So the God of the Bible is this Anunnaki Lord, called Anu?”

Dr. Neruda: “Yes.”

Sarah: “Why are you telling me this all now? It seems like this information changes some of the previous information you’ve shared.”

I can say that once upon a time I too thought the same way and expressed as much. If it were not for a very interesting thing which happened to me, I might still be of the same attitude and opinion. I am grateful for that event even that it shook me to the core and revealed the hate and the accompanying ignorance within my being.

In all ways it is necessary to view the overall concept of the god of the bible in the negative. It is an honest thing to do, but one has to be extremely careful not to vilify the actual ‘god’ consciousness of humanity (Queen Gaia) and to make the distinction between the real and the made up.

The made up is that which needs to be purged from the story. It is important to remember that the aspects of herself (in human form) Queen Gaia was dealing with did indeed require some type of external god concept in order to deal with their position and need to understand their function within that position and it proved all too easy for the aspects to wander off down paths which would prove to be their undoing, and thus the Queen played the role of ‘god’ for the purpose of trying to keep the aspects on the correct path.

In this regard she can be seen as a ‘Mother’ to her children, but the stronger of the pair being male, is dominant and the ‘Father’ became the role she played for the children.

It would be good now to say that Queen Gaia strictly speaking is both ‘Male’ and ‘Female’ and also is neither in the sense that she is pure Consciousness (in form of a planet system) and as such requires no gender, but for the sake of this anecdote it is more than enough to say that her position allows her complete understanding of both genders and for all that the bible (and other writings) present her as a father figure, she is just as much a mother and more to the point, a parent in relation to we – aspects of her in biological human form.

The main point of this is to say that ‘Anu’ is a more ancient rendition of Queen Gaia (that is why the reptilian factor – remember she (and thus we) experienced millions of earth years in reptilian forms – the dinosaurs) and she has capabilities to present herself as she chooses, to those she chooses to do so with.

That is one way to explain things. Another is that The Anunnaki are indeed an ET race which has/are their own Queen (Overall Planetary Consciousness) and interacted with us (Queen Gaia) and are conceivably more ancient (relative to this universe) and thus in a more experienced position – but I have no need to vilify them as being deceivers of the ‘child’ consciousness of Queen Gaia, to get her (through her aspects) to be the slave of their ‘Queen/collective consciousness’.

That is – as suggested in these letters – a convenient story attractive to those with victim mentalities but seriously implicating Queen Gaia as some stupid ignorant gullible easily led entity who has no concern or regard for her children and will sell them off to the first impressive ET specie to come along and talk the pants off her.

Rather, if indeed Anu and Gaia have any sort of relationship, it is one of Love for each other – to which the children are unhappy with and spread malicious rumours designed to keep things separate.

There is certainly a thread of this concept within many human culture stories. The children are really the villains acting as if it is the fault of the parents.

In relation to the comments you make through your character Dr. Neruda regarding the events of Eden, even given the version of the story in the bible, Dr. Neruda is incorrect.

The ‘god’ gave Adam a gift in the Woman Eve, to which Adam used in order to test the forbidden fruit and when she had eaten of the fruit and did not die, he deemed it ‘safe’ to proceed.
It is of course a story – a parable which was clearly written by humans ‘explaining’ why there was suffering in the world. However, it is clearly written from a male point of view, and also puts words into a god’s mouth – something the bible (and holy books in general) is guilty of doing time and again.

The most interesting thing about that story is that it underlines the real problem with human beings...their position (relatively ignorant) and their belief in ‘good’ and ‘evil’. When concepts of good and evil are mixed with ignorance, the results are not pretty to behold, either historically or in today’s modern world.

I will leave it there for today.

In Love

William

[William]

Letter Five to James and Mark.

Dear Mark and James

I have decided to continue along the branch I was on in my last letter. I have decided that speaking of the far distant future in relation to machinery transformed from the stuff of the physical universe – is more something of the punch line to this whole story and can wait for its moment.

For now it is important to continue with the tread related to cultural myth and legend and how these have shaped the world and why these stories likely exist at all.

James, I want to acknowledge your rendition of the god of the bible, and also the place you have said in past releases of your material to which Jesus is attached.

Traditionally Jesus represents the son of the biblical god, so in that sense is Anu’s offspring, just as Enki and Enlil are.

According to you, Jesus works in with the Lyricus agenda and Anu is no longer any ongoing concern as to the unfolding events – in a sense, ‘out of the picture’ – at least that is how I am reading you write of this.

Biblically all was not complete in the Anu household and disagreement did occur and I think it safe to say it is possible the disagreement could have resulted in some serious schisms – schisms which are reflected in human culture due to the influence of that Family upon said human culture.

It could be one source for the contradiction in the biblical rendition of the character of King Anu – not to mention angelic and other related apparitions, essentially a battle for the human soul between forces of light and darkness – sometimes most contradictory and thus confusing as to exactly which was which, all of which can be explained simple as being the product of human invention and distortion, as I mentioned in my previous letter,

We don’t really know if Anu and sons have reconciled their differences and moved on but we do know there was a plan which involved the return of Jesus – king of kings – to earth to set up his kingdom and sort the sheep from the goats. You have chosen to say that the event has been cancelled.
There was another character in that famous play James. Essentially he did not have a name but was referred to as ‘The Anti-Christ’ and if we take your story as truth, we need to consider that this person and his system were part of that play and thus, since Jesus is working with Lyricus and Anu is elsewhere, what of the Anti-Christ?

Obviously his part in the play was to create a false kingdom – pretending to be the messiah – and in doing so set up a false sense of security in humanity in order to stamp them with a mark of ownership in what amounts to some kind of transhuman machinery – a smart chip injected into the forehead or right hand.

Things – as planned – don’t go well and so after much terrible pain and suffering and destruction earth wide, Jesus and his angels descend from the sky and defeat the enemy of humankind and restore the balance. Anu (Jesus) gets his wish to be the one and only god of all humanity and the anti-christ is sent to the flame of hell.


Or at least that is how Anu makes it look. He isn’t about to send his son to any such place – he makes it appear that way but the antichrist was acting a role in which would ensure the indelible mark upon the soul of the human specie of the ultimate supremacy of Anu as god.

In reality Anu rewards his son for the loyalty expressed in order that the father gain that ultimate role over the soul of humanity.

This was a diabolically clever plan but now it cannot be done. Leaving aside your stating that someone in 2000 did something which changed things so greatly that the plan was deleted, where then is the antichrist character?

If one looks at the plan through the game of chess, we could be seeing a stalemate. However, there was always a flaw in the cunning plan in relation to Jesus ‘son’ of Anu – and that was the advent of the antichrist – necessarily needing to surface before Jesus came back.

That flaw goes something like this:

In order for the antichrist to be ‘seen’ by humanity, he needed to come out and become famous and offer the world a new hope of sorting its shit out.
Now the antichrist might have thought to his self along these lines.

“Why should I be the fall guy for Jesus/Anu/Father? All I need to do is stay underground and bide my time and humanity will carry on self destructing as I feed them the tools in which to accomplish this – Jesus cannot return to save them from their own hand because he will be seen as the antichrist – because the antichrist has to come first as prophesy calls for.”

Checkmate.

All the above of course is based upon the biblical prophesy regarding antichrist, heavenly wars and human involvement. Being such, it is best to be dubious as to its authenticity. More than likely these are fanciful stories told to willingly enthralled listeners preserved and still revered as ‘truth’ by those who the stories are designed to misguide.

So is it to be argued that a King without a large number of human worshipers is really a King?

That is the kind of question your character 15 would likely answer along the lines that it does not matter how many serve his agenda. What matters is that his agenda succeeds.

This kind of king does not require the masses to worship him astride a throne, as saviour of all humanity.

He saves humanity through tranhumanism. That is to say, he serves human consciousness by giving ‘her’ something more appropriate to experience through, something in which the elements cannot beat down so readily.


Yes James and Mark. In this ‘age of transparency’ it is apparent some remain hidden away, creating their stories and feeding them out to the willing unquestioning followers of ‘new enlightenment’ – those who do question are replied to with stony silence or ousted by the followers for daring to doubt and for pointing out the obvious discrepancies.

So if one removes the Christ/antichrist aspect, one can study the process as a more natural unfolding which is not a battle of good against evil, but a necessity in nurturing the Consciousness within form to allow it the greatest chance of success within a universe which is extremely harsh on all things material.

Thus part of that natural process is enabling and empowering organisations which can have the best chance of delivering that agenda. Human bodies are woefully inadequate as a lasting vessel for consciousness but as stated, are an extremely good tool for the intermediate phase.

On this, the masses are largely ignorant – preferring their spiritual fantasies and religious fervour and their inability to see the larger picture ensures they breed and add to their legacies in whatever lawful ways they can manage. Sure, unlawful ways to achieve these things are also abundant, but ultimately – lawful or unlawful, the agenda is the same and short sited for that.

If the scientists are correct about climate changes, and tipping points, all such legacies are in vain, and while we might - in our ‘worlds’ - live in hope and faith for our future, we continue to sell our wares to pay our bills, fed and school our kids and set them up in a world which will never really be, because that world we serve will make sure of that.

Perhaps in the afterlife, there are places where such can sit around and congratulate one another for ‘being good’ and ‘doing the right thing by their children’ etc, but the system this has, is and continues to provide such opportunity for the good folk, allows it to be possible only because for the one to prosper, tens of people have to go without, effectively making it essential that poor people have to exist in order for such to be accomplished.

But such is the way of the majority of human individuals in the civilised nations. We have to take care of ourselves and our families or end up homeless and useless to anyone. Therefore we partake of the only thing on offer to us – apart from lawlessness – and do the best with what is available.

There is no need to argue with that logic. Any more than there is need to vilify that part of humanity which has forsaken such normality in order to support a greater thing because like it or not, the normality – that system which runs the lives of the normal – is too focused upon the little picture, and too habitual in instructing all the normal people born into that system to continue doing things the way they have always being done and – sadly – believing the stories of their leaders as to who’s fault it is that they are not allowed to progress out from ‘the way things have always been done’ and because of this, the future is not in reality a very good one at all for the normal. It is predictably a dead end.

This is where ‘Fifteen’ and those involved with bigger picture agendas come to the fore, because they are not normal. I know in your story James, he is painted the villain – something of an evil man, self centred and headstrong – but I cannot say that the real character is as you paint the fictional. I have not met the person. It may be that he is, and they who work for this agenda are indeed evil, but ultimately that which altogether is the hub, the centre of Collective Human Consciousness cannot be regarded as evil, and if ‘she’ is using whatever is available, and shaping the outcomes as ‘she’ finds necessary in working with what is available, then it is not for an evil purpose – for how can one say that preserving and nurturing that consciousness within a hostile environment to give it the best chance of taking a foothold and freeing itself from the confines of a planetary existence is ‘evil’?

In comparison, ‘normal’ is more evil for its effort to continue in its familiar manner, seeing separation and opportunity in other misfortunes and capitalising on those misfortunes for the sake of family, legacy, making and maintaining a ‘name’ and competing for world resource. Creating stories to sell to those who can afford to buy them.

Ultimately I can regard this point of view I am sharing, as being one in which I can operate with understanding, compassion, forgiveness, because it is what it is and does not really need to be judged. I am somewhat comforted in ‘knowing’ that there is indeed an organisation within the midst of humanity which is focused and dedicated to nurturing, maintaining and controlling what it can in the face of that which it has no ability to influence in those ways - that being the masses. The masses are alone in this regard. They are preoccupied with the stories their masters have consistently told them and are not about to change their ways any time soon. Indeed, it looks quite certain that the time for change is too late to implement, even for the fact that you just can’t get them to agree and be on the same page, something of a vital first step which without, no other important thing can be undertaken.

Sadly they will die waiting for the return of Jesus – the millions who have invested in that belief – alongside the millions more who had no such beliefs.
Perhaps the afterlife for these souls will evolve into a place where reflection and getting on the same page will eventually happen for them. A realisation at how easily led down the garden path they were and a clear understanding as to why that was the case?

Whatever the case might be in that realm, in this one James, the picture you are painting isn’t all that helpful. I realise Mark that you have mouths to feed and bills to pay and the law gives you the right to support this ‘WingMakers’ stuff, but from my perspective the collective materials have devolved to align more with the normal and is now making an effort to downplay and replace the original content as it releases the newer – something it has been doing for some time.

It is an interesting thing to study as a whole. No, not the materials, but the whole process as it unfolded as stories within stories which after reams of pages can only say ‘be good and do nice to one another’ which is nothing that hasn’t been said before. Apart from that is it really only an income for one or two individuals – yet another sale opportunity cloaked within the finery of spiritual garment, perhaps once a potential tool for change.

For me it (the WingMakers) is a lesson in waking up to the reality of human deception and the lengths humans will go to in order to maintain that deception and capitalise upon the fears and supposed powerlessness of human beings for the sake of selling wares.

Forgive me if this sounds like judgement. It is not intended as such. More a self reflective irony at my own propensity to need to believe that human beings are capable of the changes required, the things I once earnestly and sincerely prayed for to come into reality, the god ideas I trusted and as a result were betrayed by, and the significance of Consciousness within this particular universe. I forgive myself my ignorance and appreciate the intentions were good from the go get, but I laugh good naturally at my beliefs in those stories and as I said, what gives me the ability to move on gracefully is ‘knowing’ that ‘she’ at the hub of this collective consciousness has all things under control, which is something no story-teller I have ever read, has had the insight and ability to convey...for they are too much in need of a villain in which to sell their stories that they cannot comprehend a greater story without one.

I will close this letter now. To you Mark, I will continue to request confirmation you have received these letters. I realise you are busy, as I also realise it does not take much in the way of time to write a short note confirming such, as a courtesy. I won’t let that dissuade me from continuing to write you and James these letters, from my world to yours.

In Love
William
Sent 200614

[doncarlo]

Hi William, 
   I have some perspectives/information to share with you about Anu that I think you will find interesting.

There's an Indian spiritual text called the Shiva Sutras in which Anu gets multiple mentions.

I extracted some of the text that mentions Anu. You can take a look at them here.

Excerpt:
"The knowledge of this anu or limited individual self is confined
to the modes of his psychic apparatus, and his desires
are associated with the pleasure of sense objects. Under
their influence, he wanders about from one form of existence
to another." - Shiva Sutras, Jaideva Singh, page 63

Have you seen this before? What are your thoughts/feelings/impressions?

Best,
doncarlo

[William]

Aug 21, 2014 21:26:58 GMT -5 doncarlo said:

Hi William, 
   I have some perspectives/information to share with you about Anu that I think you will find interesting.

There's an Indian spiritual text called the Shiva Sutras in which Anu gets multiple mentions.

I extracted some of the text that mentions Anu. You can take a look at them here.

Excerpt:
"The knowledge of this anu or limited individual self is confined
to the modes of his psychic apparatus, and his desires
are associated with the pleasure of sense objects. Under
their influence, he wanders about from one form of existence
to another." - Shiva Sutras, Jaideva Singh, page 63

Have you seen this before? What are your thoughts/feelings/impressions?

Best,
doncarlo

Hi doncarlo

Thank you for that data. I will take a look at some stage and get back to you.

Cheers

[William]

Data: Alex and William.




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